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Great Leap Forward<o:p>= </o:p> </td> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> = ; <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes;height:2.25pt'> <td colspan=3D2 style=3D'background:#F7EEEE;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1= .5pt 1.5pt; height:2.25pt'> <o:p> </o:p></span= > </td> </tr> </table> what exaclty was= the great leap forward? why was it introduced and = the short term impacts? cheers guys<o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td width=3D"22%" style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7EEEE;padding:5= .25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <st1= :date Month=3D"8" Day=3D"24" Year=3D"2006">24 Aug 2006</st1:date> <= st1:time Hour=3D"11" Minute=3D"1">11:01 am</st1:time><o:p></o:p> </td> <td nowrap style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt= 5.25pt'> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td valign=3Dbottom style=3D'padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#494957'><o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> </table> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D= 0 width=3D"98%" style=3D'width:98.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-padding-alt:0cm 0cm 0cm 0= cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td style=3D'background:#EFA4A3;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D1 cellpadding= =3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:.7pt;mso-paddin= g-alt: 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td width=3D"22%" valign=3Dtop style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7E= EEE; padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <a name=3D2927></a><b= >Comrade Tom Nob= leman Joined: <st1:date Month=3D"9" Day=3D"16" Year=3D"2005">16 Sep 2005</st1:date> Posts: 186 Location: <st1:place>Red Square</spa= n></st1:place> <o:p>= </o:p> </td> <td valign=3Dtop style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt = 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <o:p> </o:p> </td> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> = ; <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes;height:2.25pt'> <td colspan=3D2 style=3D'background:#F7EEEE;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1= .5pt 1.5pt; height:2.25pt'> <o:p> </o:p></span= > </td> </tr> </table> Th= e Second Five Year plan. Launched late '57, early '58. Mao's attempt kick st= art the economy into further growth and "walk on two legs". Impact was a Great Big Disaster. Someone else can outline why.</spa= n><o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td width=3D"22%" style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7EEEE;padding:5= .25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <st= 1:date Month=3D"8" Day=3D"24" Year=3D"2006">24 Aug 2006</st1:date> <= st1:time Hour=3D"15" Minute=3D"4">03:04 pm</st1:time><o:p></o:p> </td> <td nowrap style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt= 5.25pt'> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td valign=3Dbottom style=3D'padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <![if !vml]><img width=3D46 height=3D17 src=3D"sample_forum_files/image010.gif" alt=3D"View user's profile" border=3D0 title=3D"View user's profi= le" v:shapes=3D"_x0000_i1045"><![endif]> </sp= an><![if !vml]><img width=3D46 height=3D17 src=3D"sample_forum_files/image011.gif" alt=3D"Send private message" border=3D0 title=3D"Send private mes= sage" v:shapes=3D"_x0000_i1046"><![endif]><![if !vml]><img width=3D46 height=3D17 src=3D"sample_forum_files/image012.gif" alt=3D"Send e-mail" border=3D0 title=3D"Send e-mail" v:shapes=3D"= _x0000_i1047"><![endif]><![if !vml]><img width=3D46 height=3D17 src=3D"sample_forum_files/image013.gif" alt=3D"Visit poster's website" border=3D0 title=3D"Visit poster's= website" v:shapes=3D"_x0000_i1048"><![endif]><o:p>= </o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#494957'><o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> </table> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D= 0 width=3D"98%" style=3D'width:98.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-padding-alt:0cm 0cm 0cm 0= cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td style=3D'background:#EFA4A3;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D1 cellpadding= =3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:.7pt;mso-paddin= g-alt: 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td width=3D"22%" valign=3Dtop style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7E= EEE; padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <a name=3D2936>= </a>Penny= Gue= st <![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign=3Dtop style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt = 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <o:p> </o:p> </td> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> = ; <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes;height:2.25pt'> <td colspan=3D2 style=3D'background:#F7EEEE;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1= .5pt 1.5pt; height:2.25pt'> <o:p> </o:p></span= > </td> </tr> </table> Sh= ort-term impact... hmm... I learnt it this morning, so I should be able to remember. Ah yes, now it comes back to me... 1: Crops. To impress the officials who cam= e to inspect their fields, peasant communes planted "show fields&qu= ot; which were clogged full of rice transplanted from elsewhere. This m= ade it look like there was lots of food, but rice planted so close toge= ther tended to die off very quickly. The production of food was thus hindered. 2: Steel. The CCP wanted <st= 1:country-region><st1:place>China<= /span></st1:place></st1:country-region> to become econ= omically competitive with Western countries and the <st1:count= ry-region><st1:place>USSR</= span></st1:place></st1:country-region>, and the way f= orward was through an increase in metallurgy. Peasants were encouraged to = melt any spare metal into steel; but unfortunately, most of the pig iron they produced was brittle and useless, and they had melted tools and cooking utensils to make it. Worse, they had become so devoted to making steel that the crops had been left to rot. <sp= an style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'><![if !vml]><img width=3D15 height=3D15 src=3D"sample_forum_files/image014.gif" alt=3DMad border=3D0 v:shap= es=3D"_x0000_i1053"><![endif]>Oh yes, and the= y cut all the trees down to run the furnaces, thus contributing to erosion and salinity. This meant that there was less food available. </span= > 3: Exaggeration. Few of the communes were willing to admit that they couldn't match the huge targets they had= set themselves - thousands of pounds an acre - and so the local officer= s in charge of reporting figures to the government began to bend the tru= th a little. Well, a lot - in 1958, 200 million ton= nes of rice has been produced, but the figures the government received = said 260 million. So the government began sending all this excess food t= hat wasn't really excess at all to the citie= s... while the peasants needed it to live on. This led to even less food being available for the peasantry to eat. 4: Natural disasters. Floods in the middle= of 1959, then drought until 1962. Overall result =3D massive famine from 195= 9-1962. Have I missed much?<o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td width=3D"22%" style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7EEEE;padding:5= .25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <st= 1:date Month=3D"8" Day=3D"25" Year=3D"2006">25 Aug 2006</st1:date> <= st1:time Hour=3D"11" Minute=3D"37">11:37 am</st1:time><o:p></o:p> </td> <td nowrap style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt= 5.25pt'> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td valign=3Dbottom style=3D'padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#494957'><o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> </table> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D= 0 width=3D"98%" style=3D'width:98.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-padding-alt:0cm 0cm 0cm 0= cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td style=3D'background:#EFA4A3;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D1 cellpadding= =3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:.7pt;mso-paddin= g-alt: 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td width=3D"22%" valign=3Dtop style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7E= EEE; padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <a name=3D2961>= </a>foxybash Gue= st <![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign=3Dtop style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt = 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> well...<= /b><o:p>= </o:p> </td> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> = ; <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes;height:2.25pt'> <td colspan=3D2 style=3D'background:#F7EEEE;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1= .5pt 1.5pt; height:2.25pt'> <o:p> </o:p></span= > </td> </tr> </table> We= ll Ellis, I think you are in a bit of strife there!! I could help you but = i choose not to!! what i do tell you thoug= h, is that you should try "pineoclean&qu= ot;!! Always handy in a sticky situation!!</span= ><o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td width=3D"22%" style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7EEEE;padding:5= .25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <st= 1:date Month=3D"8" Day=3D"28" Year=3D"2006">28 Aug 2006</st1:date> <= st1:time Hour=3D"12" Minute=3D"1">12:01 pm</st1:time><o:p></o:p> </td> <td nowrap style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt= 5.25pt'> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td valign=3Dbottom style=3D'padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#494957'><o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> </table> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D= 0 width=3D"98%" style=3D'width:98.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-padding-alt:0cm 0cm 0cm 0= cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td style=3D'background:#EFA4A3;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D1 cellpadding= =3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:.7pt;mso-paddin= g-alt: 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td width=3D"22%" valign=3Dtop style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7E= EEE; padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <a name=3D2962></a><b= >Comrade Tom Nob= leman Joined: <st1:date Month=3D"9" Day=3D"16" Year=3D"2005">16 Sep 2005</st1:date> Posts: 186 Location: <st1:place>Red Square</spa= n></st1:place> <o:p>= </o:p> </td> <td valign=3Dtop style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt = 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <o:p> </o:p> </td> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> = ; <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes;height:2.25pt'> <td colspan=3D2 style=3D'background:#F7EEEE;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1= .5pt 1.5pt; height:2.25pt'> <o:p> </o:p></span= > </td> </tr> </table> Ve= ry rightist black element stinking 9th of you, comrade foxybash. Pinoclean is bourgeois. According to Ch= airman Mao, “Peasants have dirty hands and cows= hit-sodden feet, but they are much cleaner than intellectuals.”</= span><o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td width=3D"22%" style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7EEEE;padding:5= .25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <st= 1:date Month=3D"8" Day=3D"28" Year=3D"2006">28 Aug 2006</st1:date> <= st1:time Hour=3D"12" Minute=3D"35">12:35 pm</st1:time><o:p></o:p> </td> <td nowrap style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt= 5.25pt'> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td valign=3Dbottom style=3D'padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#494957'><o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> </table> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D= 0 width=3D"98%" style=3D'width:98.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-padding-alt:0cm 0cm 0cm 0= cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td style=3D'background:#EFA4A3;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D1 cellpadding= =3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:.7pt;mso-paddin= g-alt: 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td width=3D"22%" valign=3Dtop style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7E= EEE; padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <a name=3D3057>= </a>AndrewR Gue= st <![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign=3Dtop style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt = 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <o:p> </o:p> </td> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> = ; <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes;height:2.25pt'> <td colspan=3D2 style=3D'background:#F7EEEE;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1= .5pt 1.5pt; height:2.25pt'> <o:p> </o:p></span= > </td> </tr> </table> <blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> <o:p> </o:p> quote: </spa= n> <div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> <hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter> </div> Originally posted by Penny Short-term impact... hmm... I learnt it this morning, so I should b= e able to remember. Ah yes, now it comes back to me... 1: Crops. To impress the officials who came to inspect their fields, peasant communes planted "show fields" which were clogged full of rice transplanted from elsewhere. This made it look like th= ere was lots of food, but rice planted so close together tended to die = off very quickly. The production of food was thus hindered. 2: Steel. The CCP wanted <st1:country-region><st1:place>Chin= a</st1:place></st1:country-region> to be= come economically competitive with Western countries and the <st1= :country-region><st1:place>USSR= </st1:place></st1:country-region>, and = the way forward was through an increase in metallurgy. Peasants were encouraged to melt any spare metal into steel; but unfortunately, m= ost of the pig iron they produced was brittle and useless, and they had melted tools and cooking utensils to make it. Worse, they had becom= e so devoted to making steel that the crops had been left to rot. <![if !vml]><img width=3D15 height=3D15 src=3D"sample_forum_files/image014.gif" alt=3DMad border=3D0 v:shap= es=3D"_x0000_i1259"><![endif]>Oh yes, and they cut all the trees down to run the furnaces, thus cont= ributing to erosion and salinity. This meant that there was less food availa= ble. 3: Exaggeration. Few of the communes were willing to admit that they couldn't match the huge targets they had set themselves - thousands= of pounds an acre - and so the local officers in charge of reporting figures to the government began to bend the truth a little. Well, a= lot - in 1958, 200 million tonnes of rice h= as been produced, but the figures the government received said 260 million. So the government began sending all this excess food that wasn't really excess at all to the citie= s... while the peasants needed it to live on. This led to even less food being available for the peasantry to eat. 4: Natural disasters. Floods in the middle of 1959, then drought un= til 1962. Overall result =3D massive famine from 1959-1962. Have I missed muc= h? <o:p></o:p> <div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> <hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter> </div> </blockquote> I would add massive i= nfastructure projects i.e dams which often failed du= e to being poorly constructed/bad materials.<o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td width=3D"22%" style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7EEEE;padding:5= .25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <st= 1:date Month=3D"9" Day=3D"6" Year=3D"2006">06 Sep 2006</st1:date> <= st1:time Hour=3D"20" Minute=3D"2">08:02 pm</st1:time><o:p></o:p> </td> <td nowrap style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt= 5.25pt'> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td valign=3Dbottom style=3D'padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#494957'><o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> </table> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D= 0 width=3D"98%" style=3D'width:98.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-padding-alt:0cm 0cm 0cm 0= cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td style=3D'background:#EFA4A3;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D1 cellpadding= =3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:.7pt;mso-paddin= g-alt: 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td width=3D"22%" valign=3Dtop style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7E= EEE; padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <a name=3D3062>= </a>Brad w</span= > Gue= st <![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign=3Dtop style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt = 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> Hey I'll try and offer some examples.= not quite sure if right<o:p></o:p> </td> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> = ; <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes;height:2.25pt'> <td colspan=3D2 style=3D'background:#F7EEEE;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1= .5pt 1.5pt; height:2.25pt'> <o:p> </o:p></span= > </td> </tr> </table> Yo= u could also mention the impact the GLF created social factors. That being hundreds upon hundred had to leave their private plots and were for= ced to live in confined places 'communes', this not only lead to distre= ss and anger by the peasants, but some didn't even see their family du= e to same sex dormitories. On top of lievig = with stangers, peasant often contradicted deadly diseases, that lead to many dying. Often people called Mao's 'slave-labor camps' rather than communes </span= > Leading on from steel production, when pea= sants had to leave their own plots/homes they couldn't return to them bec= ause many had been destroyed by the Red Guards or other authorities, tho= se that didnf't get torn down suffered fro= m neglact and colapsed</sp= an>; this was maily because they were constr= ucted out of bamboo and mud and needed regular attendance. Anyway, the ex= cess of the homes was used as fertiliser or = to feed the backyard furnaces as fuel. Now talking about, the lying of production= , you were right about talking about how many lied about producing a cert= ain amount of corn ie. But this correuption lead to people lying about actual= ly how many peasants were working and producing raw material, when people = died as a result of hunger or disease, other neighb= ours would admit that they were still alive when questioned by officials= so that they would claim the income of that family. This not only lead to corruption and anger by the CCP but no= one even knew how much was getting produced by how many people. = Last (i'm sure= their is more factors), not only did people get angry at the CCP for what= was happening to them, they were quitely losing faith in the CCP and their lea= der. Mao realised this when he lost his posi= tion as Chairman shortly after, then the Cultural Revolution was initiat= ed, maybe to gain support by blinding the peasants with more propaganda= . <![if !vml]><img width=3D15 height=3D15 src=3D"sample_forum_files/image016.gif" alt=3DSad border=3D0 v:shap= es=3D"_x0000_i1265"><![endif]><![if !vml]><img width=3D15 height=3D15 src=3D"sample_forum_files/image017.gif" alt=3D"Very Happy" border= =3D0 v:shapes=3D"_x0000_i1266"><![endif]> I'm not quite sure if that's correct, but = i hope i gave you= a few more examples that you could use in future. Anyone who wants to correct = me, please do, or help anyway! <![if !vml]><img width=3D15 height=3D15 src=3D"sample_forum_files/image018.gif" alt=3DWink border=3D0 v:sha= pes=3D"_x0000_i1267"><![endif]><o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td width=3D"22%" style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7EEEE;padding:5= .25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <st= 1:date Month=3D"9" Day=3D"7" Year=3D"2006">07 Sep 2006</st1:date> <= st1:time Hour=3D"17" Minute=3D"48">05:48 pm</st1:time><o:p></o:p> </td> <td nowrap style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt= 5.25pt'> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td valign=3Dbottom style=3D'padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#494957'><o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> </table> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D= 0 width=3D"98%" style=3D'width:98.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-padding-alt:0cm 0cm 0cm 0= cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td style=3D'background:#EFA4A3;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D1 cellpadding= =3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:.7pt;mso-paddin= g-alt: 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td width=3D"22%" valign=3Dtop style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7E= EEE; padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <a name=3D3063>= </a>Alex<= /b> Gue= st <![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign=3Dtop style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt = 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <o:p> </o:p> </td> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> = ; <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes;height:2.25pt'> <td colspan=3D2 style=3D'background:#F7EEEE;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1= .5pt 1.5pt; height:2.25pt'> <o:p> </o:p></span= > </td> </tr> </table> <o:p> </o:p> <div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><= span class=3Dlargetext1> <hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter> </div> <blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> quote: </spa= n> <div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> <hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter> </div> not only = did people get angry at the CCP for what was happening to them, they we= re quitely losing faith in the CCP and their lea= der. Mao realised this when he lost his posi= tion as Chairman shortly after, then the Cultural Revolution was initiat= ed, maybe to gain support by blinding the peasants with more propaganda= . <o:p></o:p> <div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> <hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter> </div> </blockquote> Close, but not quite right. It's strange, = but Mao never really lost his support amongst the = peasents and working class, they always revered him as the hero. Odd, but tr= ue. The important significance to note is that whilst the support for t= he party started to wane, it was Liu Shaoqui= and Deng Xiopeng who set it right by adopti= ng more capitalist means. This made Mao very insecure and would be the start of his long wind-up to the Cultural Revolution, as he saw thi= s as an abandonment of the revolution's ideals. Also (and correct me if I'm wrong here Com= rade Tom), Mao didn't lose his title of Chairman. He lost the title of president. The former is his position as head of the party, the latter is that as head of the country. They're easy to mix up, however as, being a one-party state, the roles do tend to overlap. = He lost his position as President and was replaced by Liu Shaoqui. This is another aspect to the Culteral revolution. For whilst Mao retained = his support amidst the general population. The GLF lost Mao a lot of fa= ce amongst the other party higher-ups and Liu and Deng gained it. He f= elt threatened, and this was at least a factor (or sole facter if you're a more conservative historian) in why Mao waged the Cultu= ral Revolution.<o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td width=3D"22%" style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7EEEE;padding:5= .25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <st= 1:date Month=3D"9" Day=3D"7" Year=3D"2006">07 Sep 2006</st1:date> <= st1:time Hour=3D"18" Minute=3D"9">06:09 pm</st1:time><o:p></o:p> </td> <td nowrap style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt= 5.25pt'> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td valign=3Dbottom style=3D'padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#494957'><o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> </table> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D= 0 width=3D"98%" style=3D'width:98.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-padding-alt:0cm 0cm 0cm 0= cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td style=3D'background:#EFA4A3;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D1 cellpadding= =3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:.7pt;mso-paddin= g-alt: 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td width=3D"22%" valign=3Dtop style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7E= EEE; padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <a name=3D3069>= </a>Brad w</span= > Gue= st <![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign=3Dtop style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt = 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> HEY Thanks<o:p></o:p> </td> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> = ; <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes;height:2.25pt'> <td colspan=3D2 style=3D'background:#F7EEEE;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1= .5pt 1.5pt; height:2.25pt'> <o:p> </o:p></span= > </td> </tr> </table> He= y Thanks for your assistance, you really know what you're talking about, I'm= quite aware that the peasants didn't stop supporting Mao, but prehaps as a suggestion they were losing fait= h. If they spoke out they were persecuted. However, like you said Alex, <= span class=3DSpellE>wierd? lol Talking about the losing of his superior position, I too thought it was President, maybe that's where I made= the fault? I often get the two mixed up as I always remember the triang= le diagram of the PLA, CCP and the Govt wi= th Mao inside the triangle. The capitalist roaders</s= pan> that threaten Mao Liu Shaoqi and Deng <= span class=3DSpellE>Xioping not only did this by adopting captalists views, but they bascially forced Mao out and rectified the situation of communes by converting them back to private plots, would the peasants have been far more h= appy and supportive of this? Anyway the amounting competition of rivals = and the play Hai Rui</= span> really triggered the Cultural Revolution,</span= > it was Mao who wanted to reassert his position as 'Emperor' lol. Off the beaten track, just thought I would continue the discussion.... Add what you will, it's most appreciatative knowledgeable one.</spa= n><o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td width=3D"22%" style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7EEEE;padding:5= .25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <st= 1:date Month=3D"9" Day=3D"7" Year=3D"2006">07 Sep 2006</st1:date> <= st1:time Hour=3D"22" Minute=3D"26">10:26 pm</st1:time><o:p></o:p> </td> <td nowrap style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt= 5.25pt'> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td valign=3Dbottom style=3D'padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#494957'><o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> </table> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D= 0 width=3D"98%" style=3D'width:98.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-padding-alt:0cm 0cm 0cm 0= cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td style=3D'background:#EFA4A3;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D1 cellpadding= =3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:.7pt;mso-paddin= g-alt: 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td width=3D"22%" valign=3Dtop style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7E= EEE; padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <a name=3D3077></a><b= >Comrade Tom Nob= leman Joined: <st1:date Month=3D"9" Day=3D"16" Year=3D"2005">16 Sep 2005</st1:date> Posts: 186 Location: <st1:place>Red Square</spa= n></st1:place> <o:p>= </o:p> </td> <td valign=3Dtop style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt = 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <o:p> </o:p> </td> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> = ; <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes;height:2.25pt'> <td colspan=3D2 style=3D'background:#F7EEEE;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1= .5pt 1.5pt; height:2.25pt'> <o:p> </o:p></span= > </td> </tr> </table> <o:p> </o:p> <div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><= span class=3Dlargetext1> <hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter> </div> <blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> quote: </spa= n> <div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> <hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter> </div> would the peasants have been far more happy and supportive of this? <o:p></o:= p> <div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> <hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter> </div> </blockquote> Yes. They were latter critical of many of = the more radical aspects of the GLF - those who had earlier attempted to revert to more tried and true methods (as opposed to Lysekoism) and those who "damaged public property" (ate the bark off trees) were sent to forced labour camps. However, Mao retained his assoc= iation with the Land Reform programme and thus retained his popularity...he still does (anniversary of his death t= his Sat. LOTS of interesting articles in the news). <o:p></o:p><= /span> <div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><= span class=3Dlargetext1> <hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter> </div> <blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> quote: </spa= n> <div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> <hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter> </div> it was Mao who wanted to reassert his positio= n as 'Emperor' <o:p></o:p> <div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> <hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter> </div> </blockquote> So he already had the power and prestigue of an emperor BEFORE the Cultural Revolution?<o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td width=3D"22%" style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7EEEE;padding:5= .25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <st= 1:date Month=3D"9" Day=3D"8" Year=3D"2006">08 Sep 2006</st1:date> <= st1:time Hour=3D"16" Minute=3D"8">04:08 pm</st1:time><o:p></o:p> </td> <td nowrap style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt= 5.25pt'> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td valign=3Dbottom style=3D'padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <![if !vml]><img width=3D46 height=3D17 src=3D"sample_forum_files/image010.gif" alt=3D"View user's profile" border=3D0 title=3D"View user's profi= le" v:shapes=3D"_x0000_i1289"><![endif]> </sp= an><![if !vml]><img width=3D46 height=3D17 src=3D"sample_forum_files/image011.gif" alt=3D"Send private message" border=3D0 title=3D"Send private mes= sage" v:shapes=3D"_x0000_i1290"><![endif]><![if !vml]><img width=3D46 height=3D17 src=3D"sample_forum_files/image012.gif" alt=3D"Send e-mail" border=3D0 title=3D"Send e-mail" v:shapes=3D"= _x0000_i1291"><![endif]><![if !vml]><img width=3D46 height=3D17 src=3D"sample_forum_files/image013.gif" alt=3D"Visit poster's website" border=3D0 title=3D"Visit poster's= website" v:shapes=3D"_x0000_i1292"><![endif]><o:p>= </o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#494957'><o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> </table> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D= 0 width=3D"98%" style=3D'width:98.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-padding-alt:0cm 0cm 0cm 0= cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td style=3D'background:#EFA4A3;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D1 cellpadding= =3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:.7pt;mso-paddin= g-alt: 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td width=3D"22%" valign=3Dtop style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7E= EEE; padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <a name=3D3080>= </a>Alex<= /b> Gue= st <![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign=3Dtop style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt = 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <o:p> </o:p> </td> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> = ; <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes;height:2.25pt'> <td colspan=3D2 style=3D'background:#F7EEEE;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1= .5pt 1.5pt; height:2.25pt'> <o:p> </o:p></span= > </td> </tr> </table> He= certainly had prestigue before the cultural revol= ution, even if Mao's reputation had taken some dinting because of the GLF, it was still nothing short of sheer adula= tion. Of course, he did lack the support of the upper and upper-middle cadres... As for power, w= ell he certainly had a lot of that before the cultural revolution... But s= ince when has a lot been enough for Mao? He wanted the whole lot.= It wasn't enough to simply be an advisor, he did complain, after all, = of being treated like an "ancestor": people paid their respe= cts, but no-longer involved him in their lives. And that doesn't sound v= ery Mao to me! Personally, I'm fondest of the 'Monkey Kin= g' theory. If only because I get to say: "You pansy-devil pooooofter!"<o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td width=3D"22%" style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7EEEE;padding:5= .25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <st= 1:date Month=3D"9" Day=3D"8" Year=3D"2006">08 Sep 2006</st1:date> <= st1:time Hour=3D"21" Minute=3D"4">09:04 pm</st1:time><o:p></o:p> </td> <td nowrap style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt= 5.25pt'> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td valign=3Dbottom style=3D'padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#494957'><o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> </table> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D= 0 width=3D"98%" style=3D'width:98.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-padding-alt:0cm 0cm 0cm 0= cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td style=3D'background:#EFA4A3;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D1 cellpadding= =3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:.7pt;mso-paddin= g-alt: 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td width=3D"22%" valign=3Dtop style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7E= EEE; padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <a name=3D3094>= </a>Em Gue= st <![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign=3Dtop style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt = 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <o:p> </o:p> </td> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> = ; <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes;height:2.25pt'> <td colspan=3D2 style=3D'background:#F7EEEE;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1= .5pt 1.5pt; height:2.25pt'> <o:p> </o:p></span= > </td> </tr> </table> IN= TIMIDATING SMARTNESS!<o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td width=3D"22%" style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7EEEE;padding:5= .25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <st= 1:date Month=3D"9" Day=3D"9" Year=3D"2006">09 Sep 2006</st1:date> <= st1:time Hour=3D"19" Minute=3D"29">07:29 pm</st1:time><o:p></o:p> </td> <td nowrap style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt= 5.25pt'> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td valign=3Dbottom style=3D'padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#494957'><o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> </table> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D= 0 width=3D"98%" style=3D'width:98.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-padding-alt:0cm 0cm 0cm 0= cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td style=3D'background:#EFA4A3;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D1 cellpadding= =3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:.7pt;mso-paddin= g-alt: 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td width=3D"22%" valign=3Dtop style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7E= EEE; padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <a name=3D3098>= </a>Brad w</span= > Gue= st <![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign=3Dtop style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt = 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <o:p> </o:p> </td> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> = ; <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes;height:2.25pt'> <td colspan=3D2 style=3D'background:#F7EEEE;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1= .5pt 1.5pt; height:2.25pt'> <o:p> </o:p></span= > </td> </tr> </table> Ye= s their intelligence is intimidating em. Going on from last time, Noblemen Alex, I = think you've semi-persuaded me to believe that Mao was a 'mokey king', however the bizzare crazed man t= hat was Mao did have the revolutionary thought, pr= ehaps implementing it wasn't his stong point-= as he admitted after the GLF, but decided to blame it on other people, th= at's our Mao, always looking for a scapegoat! He certainly had pres= tigue before the cultural revolution, even if Mao's reputation had taken = some dinting because of the GLF, it was still nothing short of sheer adulation. Of course, he did lack the suppor= t of the upper and upper-middle cadres...[/quote]<o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td width=3D"22%" style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7EEEE;padding:5= .25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <st= 1:date Month=3D"9" Day=3D"10" Year=3D"2006">10 Sep 2006</st1:date> 01:</spa= n><st1:time Hour=3D"15" Minute=3D"0">03 pm</st1:time><o:p></o:p> </td> <td nowrap style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt= 5.25pt'> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td valign=3Dbottom style=3D'padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#494957'><o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> </table> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D= 0 width=3D"98%" style=3D'width:98.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-padding-alt:0cm 0cm 0cm 0= cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td style=3D'background:#EFA4A3;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D1 cellpadding= =3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:.7pt;mso-paddin= g-alt: 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td width=3D"22%" valign=3Dtop style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7E= EEE; padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <a name=3D3110>= </a>Em Gue= st <![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign=3Dtop style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt = 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <o:p> </o:p> </td> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> = ; <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes;height:2.25pt'> <td colspan=3D2 style=3D'background:#F7EEEE;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1= .5pt 1.5pt; height:2.25pt'> <o:p> </o:p></span= > </td> </tr> </table> I = think that people are too easily forgetting that still "The Chinese people all worship him" according to a recent newspaper article. Even= Dr Zhou's moving lecture of how her family was crushed by Mao's segregation of society into 'Black' and 'Red' elements, she still frequently referred to Mao as "our Great Leader". An appalling thing I'm about to say, BUT perhaps what Mao did for </sp= an><st1:country-region><st1:place>China<= /span></st1:place></st1:country-region>, allowing the = country to "stand up", simply out-weighed the subsequent tens of millions of deaths. x<o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td width=3D"22%" style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7EEEE;padding:5= .25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt

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Great Leap Forward<o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1'> <td nowrap style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt= 5.25pt'> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <= span class=3Dmediumtext1>< La= st Thread | Next Thread > Watch this topic for replies<o:p></o:p> </td> <td nowrap style=3D'padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:8.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#994A4A'><![if !vml]><img width=3D78 height=3D24 src=3D"sample_forum_files/image004.gif" alt=3D"Post new topic" border=3D0 align=3Dmiddle v:shapes=3D"_x00= 00_i1035"><![endif]> <= /span><![if !vml]><img width=3D78 height=3D24 src=3D"sample_forum_files/image005.gif" alt=3D"Reply to topic" border=3D0 align=3Dmiddle v:shapes=3D"_x00= 00_i1346"><![endif]><o:p>= </o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#494957'><o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:2;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td nowrap style=3D'background:#F7EEEE;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt= 5.25pt'> <sp= an class=3Dlargetext1>vcehistory.i= nfo > Chinese Revolution<o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D= 0 width=3D"98%" style=3D'width:98.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-padding-alt:0cm 0cm 0cm 0= cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td style=3D'background:#EFA4A3;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D1 cellpadding= =3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:.7pt;mso-paddin= g-alt: 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td width=3D"22%" nowrap style=3D'width:22.0%;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt= 5.25pt 5.25pt'> = Author<= o:p></o:p> </td> <td nowrap style=3D'padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> = Thread<= o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D= 0 width=3D"98%" style=3D'width:98.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-padding-alt:0cm 0cm 0cm 0= cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td style=3D'background:#EFA4A3;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D1 cellpadding= =3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:.7pt;mso-paddin= g-alt: 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td width=3D"22%" valign=3Dtop style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7E= EEE; padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <a name=3D2923>= </a>ellis Gue= st <![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign=3Dtop style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt = 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> Help me ... Great Leap Forward<o:p>= </o:p> </td> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> = ; <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes;height:2.25pt'> <td colspan=3D2 style=3D'background:#F7EEEE;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1= .5pt 1.5pt; height:2.25pt'> <o:p> </o:p></span= > </td> </tr> </table> what exaclty was= the great leap forward? why was it introduced and = the short term impacts? cheers guys<o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td width=3D"22%" style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7EEEE;padding:5= .25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <st1= :date Month=3D"8" Day=3D"24" Year=3D"2006">24 Aug 2006</st1:date> <= st1:time Hour=3D"11" Minute=3D"1">11:01 am</st1:time><o:p></o:p> </td> <td nowrap style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt= 5.25pt'> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td valign=3Dbottom style=3D'padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#494957'><o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> </table> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D= 0 width=3D"98%" style=3D'width:98.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-padding-alt:0cm 0cm 0cm 0= cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td style=3D'background:#EFA4A3;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D1 cellpadding= =3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:.7pt;mso-paddin= g-alt: 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td width=3D"22%" valign=3Dtop style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7E= EEE; padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <a name=3D2927></a><b= >Comrade Tom Nob= leman Joined: <st1:date Month=3D"9" Day=3D"16" Year=3D"2005">16 Sep 2005</st1:date> Posts: 186 Location: <st1:place>Red Square</spa= n></st1:place> <o:p>= </o:p> </td> <td valign=3Dtop style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt = 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <o:p> </o:p> </td> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> = ; <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes;height:2.25pt'> <td colspan=3D2 style=3D'background:#F7EEEE;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1= .5pt 1.5pt; height:2.25pt'> <o:p> </o:p></span= > </td> </tr> </table> Th= e Second Five Year plan. Launched late '57, early '58. Mao's attempt kick st= art the economy into further growth and "walk on two legs". Impact was a Great Big Disaster. Someone else can outline why.</spa= n><o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td width=3D"22%" style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7EEEE;padding:5= .25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <st= 1:date Month=3D"8" Day=3D"24" Year=3D"2006">24 Aug 2006</st1:date> <= st1:time Hour=3D"15" Minute=3D"4">03:04 pm</st1:time><o:p></o:p> </td> <td nowrap style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt= 5.25pt'> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td valign=3Dbottom style=3D'padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <![if !vml]><img width=3D46 height=3D17 src=3D"sample_forum_files/image010.gif" alt=3D"View user's profile" border=3D0 title=3D"View user's profi= le" v:shapes=3D"_x0000_i1045"><![endif]> </sp= an><![if !vml]><img width=3D46 height=3D17 src=3D"sample_forum_files/image011.gif" alt=3D"Send private message" border=3D0 title=3D"Send private mes= sage" v:shapes=3D"_x0000_i1046"><![endif]><![if !vml]><img width=3D46 height=3D17 src=3D"sample_forum_files/image012.gif" alt=3D"Send e-mail" border=3D0 title=3D"Send e-mail" v:shapes=3D"= _x0000_i1047"><![endif]><![if !vml]><img width=3D46 height=3D17 src=3D"sample_forum_files/image013.gif" alt=3D"Visit poster's website" border=3D0 title=3D"Visit poster's= website" v:shapes=3D"_x0000_i1048"><![endif]><o:p>= </o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#494957'><o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> </table> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D= 0 width=3D"98%" style=3D'width:98.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-padding-alt:0cm 0cm 0cm 0= cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td style=3D'background:#EFA4A3;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D1 cellpadding= =3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:.7pt;mso-paddin= g-alt: 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td width=3D"22%" valign=3Dtop style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7E= EEE; padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <a name=3D2936>= </a>Penny= Gue= st <![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign=3Dtop style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt = 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <o:p> </o:p> </td> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> = ; <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes;height:2.25pt'> <td colspan=3D2 style=3D'background:#F7EEEE;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1= .5pt 1.5pt; height:2.25pt'> <o:p> </o:p></span= > </td> </tr> </table> Sh= ort-term impact... hmm... I learnt it this morning, so I should be able to remember. Ah yes, now it comes back to me... 1: Crops. To impress the officials who cam= e to inspect their fields, peasant communes planted "show fields&qu= ot; which were clogged full of rice transplanted from elsewhere. This m= ade it look like there was lots of food, but rice planted so close toge= ther tended to die off very quickly. The production of food was thus hindered. 2: Steel. The CCP wanted <st= 1:country-region><st1:place>China<= /span></st1:place></st1:country-region> to become econ= omically competitive with Western countries and the <st1:count= ry-region><st1:place>USSR</= span></st1:place></st1:country-region>, and the way f= orward was through an increase in metallurgy. Peasants were encouraged to = melt any spare metal into steel; but unfortunately, most of the pig iron they produced was brittle and useless, and they had melted tools and cooking utensils to make it. Worse, they had become so devoted to making steel that the crops had been left to rot. <sp= an style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'><![if !vml]><img width=3D15 height=3D15 src=3D"sample_forum_files/image014.gif" alt=3DMad border=3D0 v:shap= es=3D"_x0000_i1053"><![endif]>Oh yes, and the= y cut all the trees down to run the furnaces, thus contributing to erosion and salinity. This meant that there was less food available. </span= > 3: Exaggeration. Few of the communes were willing to admit that they couldn't match the huge targets they had= set themselves - thousands of pounds an acre - and so the local officer= s in charge of reporting figures to the government began to bend the tru= th a little. Well, a lot - in 1958, 200 million ton= nes of rice has been produced, but the figures the government received = said 260 million. So the government began sending all this excess food t= hat wasn't really excess at all to the citie= s... while the peasants needed it to live on. This led to even less food being available for the peasantry to eat. 4: Natural disasters. Floods in the middle= of 1959, then drought until 1962. Overall result =3D massive famine from 195= 9-1962. Have I missed much?<o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td width=3D"22%" style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7EEEE;padding:5= .25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <st= 1:date Month=3D"8" Day=3D"25" Year=3D"2006">25 Aug 2006</st1:date> <= st1:time Hour=3D"11" Minute=3D"37">11:37 am</st1:time><o:p></o:p> </td> <td nowrap style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt= 5.25pt'> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td valign=3Dbottom style=3D'padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#494957'><o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> </table> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D= 0 width=3D"98%" style=3D'width:98.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-padding-alt:0cm 0cm 0cm 0= cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td style=3D'background:#EFA4A3;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D1 cellpadding= =3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:.7pt;mso-paddin= g-alt: 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td width=3D"22%" valign=3Dtop style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7E= EEE; padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <a name=3D2961>= </a>foxybash Gue= st <![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign=3Dtop style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt = 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> well...<= /b><o:p>= </o:p> </td> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> = ; <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes;height:2.25pt'> <td colspan=3D2 style=3D'background:#F7EEEE;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1= .5pt 1.5pt; height:2.25pt'> <o:p> </o:p></span= > </td> </tr> </table> We= ll Ellis, I think you are in a bit of strife there!! I could help you but = i choose not to!! what i do tell you thoug= h, is that you should try "pineoclean&qu= ot;!! Always handy in a sticky situation!!</span= ><o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td width=3D"22%" style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7EEEE;padding:5= .25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <st= 1:date Month=3D"8" Day=3D"28" Year=3D"2006">28 Aug 2006</st1:date> <= st1:time Hour=3D"12" Minute=3D"1">12:01 pm</st1:time><o:p></o:p> </td> <td nowrap style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt= 5.25pt'> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td valign=3Dbottom style=3D'padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#494957'><o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> </table> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D= 0 width=3D"98%" style=3D'width:98.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-padding-alt:0cm 0cm 0cm 0= cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td style=3D'background:#EFA4A3;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D1 cellpadding= =3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:.7pt;mso-paddin= g-alt: 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td width=3D"22%" valign=3Dtop style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7E= EEE; padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <a name=3D2962></a><b= >Comrade Tom Nob= leman Joined: <st1:date Month=3D"9" Day=3D"16" Year=3D"2005">16 Sep 2005</st1:date> Posts: 186 Location: <st1:place>Red Square</spa= n></st1:place> <o:p>= </o:p> </td> <td valign=3Dtop style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt = 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <o:p> </o:p> </td> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> = ; <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes;height:2.25pt'> <td colspan=3D2 style=3D'background:#F7EEEE;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1= .5pt 1.5pt; height:2.25pt'> <o:p> </o:p></span= > </td> </tr> </table> Ve= ry rightist black element stinking 9th of you, comrade foxybash. Pinoclean is bourgeois. According to Ch= airman Mao, “Peasants have dirty hands and cows= hit-sodden feet, but they are much cleaner than intellectuals.”</= span><o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td width=3D"22%" style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7EEEE;padding:5= .25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <st= 1:date Month=3D"8" Day=3D"28" Year=3D"2006">28 Aug 2006</st1:date> <= st1:time Hour=3D"12" Minute=3D"35">12:35 pm</st1:time><o:p></o:p> </td> <td nowrap style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt= 5.25pt'> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td valign=3Dbottom style=3D'padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#494957'><o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> </table> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D= 0 width=3D"98%" style=3D'width:98.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-padding-alt:0cm 0cm 0cm 0= cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td style=3D'background:#EFA4A3;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D1 cellpadding= =3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:.7pt;mso-paddin= g-alt: 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td width=3D"22%" valign=3Dtop style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7E= EEE; padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <a name=3D3057>= </a>AndrewR Gue= st <![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign=3Dtop style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt = 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <o:p> </o:p> </td> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> = ; <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes;height:2.25pt'> <td colspan=3D2 style=3D'background:#F7EEEE;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1= .5pt 1.5pt; height:2.25pt'> <o:p> </o:p></span= > </td> </tr> </table> <blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> <o:p> </o:p> quote: </spa= n> <div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> <hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter> </div> Originally posted by Penny Short-term impact... hmm... I learnt it this morning, so I should b= e able to remember. Ah yes, now it comes back to me... 1: Crops. To impress the officials who came to inspect their fields, peasant communes planted "show fields" which were clogged full of rice transplanted from elsewhere. This made it look like th= ere was lots of food, but rice planted so close together tended to die = off very quickly. The production of food was thus hindered. 2: Steel. The CCP wanted <st1:country-region><st1:place>Chin= a</st1:place></st1:country-region> to be= come economically competitive with Western countries and the <st1= :country-region><st1:place>USSR= </st1:place></st1:country-region>, and = the way forward was through an increase in metallurgy. Peasants were encouraged to melt any spare metal into steel; but unfortunately, m= ost of the pig iron they produced was brittle and useless, and they had melted tools and cooking utensils to make it. Worse, they had becom= e so devoted to making steel that the crops had been left to rot. <![if !vml]><img width=3D15 height=3D15 src=3D"sample_forum_files/image014.gif" alt=3DMad border=3D0 v:shap= es=3D"_x0000_i1259"><![endif]>Oh yes, and they cut all the trees down to run the furnaces, thus cont= ributing to erosion and salinity. This meant that there was less food availa= ble. 3: Exaggeration. Few of the communes were willing to admit that they couldn't match the huge targets they had set themselves - thousands= of pounds an acre - and so the local officers in charge of reporting figures to the government began to bend the truth a little. Well, a= lot - in 1958, 200 million tonnes of rice h= as been produced, but the figures the government received said 260 million. So the government began sending all this excess food that wasn't really excess at all to the citie= s... while the peasants needed it to live on. This led to even less food being available for the peasantry to eat. 4: Natural disasters. Floods in the middle of 1959, then drought un= til 1962. Overall result =3D massive famine from 1959-1962. Have I missed muc= h? <o:p></o:p> <div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> <hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter> </div> </blockquote> I would add massive i= nfastructure projects i.e dams which often failed du= e to being poorly constructed/bad materials.<o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td width=3D"22%" style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7EEEE;padding:5= .25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <st= 1:date Month=3D"9" Day=3D"6" Year=3D"2006">06 Sep 2006</st1:date> <= st1:time Hour=3D"20" Minute=3D"2">08:02 pm</st1:time><o:p></o:p> </td> <td nowrap style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt= 5.25pt'> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td valign=3Dbottom style=3D'padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#494957'><o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> </table> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D= 0 width=3D"98%" style=3D'width:98.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-padding-alt:0cm 0cm 0cm 0= cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td style=3D'background:#EFA4A3;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D1 cellpadding= =3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:.7pt;mso-paddin= g-alt: 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td width=3D"22%" valign=3Dtop style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7E= EEE; padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <a name=3D3062>= </a>Brad w</span= > Gue= st <![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign=3Dtop style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt = 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> Hey I'll try and offer some examples.= not quite sure if right<o:p></o:p> </td> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> = ; <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes;height:2.25pt'> <td colspan=3D2 style=3D'background:#F7EEEE;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1= .5pt 1.5pt; height:2.25pt'> <o:p> </o:p></span= > </td> </tr> </table> Yo= u could also mention the impact the GLF created social factors. That being hundreds upon hundred had to leave their private plots and were for= ced to live in confined places 'communes', this not only lead to distre= ss and anger by the peasants, but some didn't even see their family du= e to same sex dormitories. On top of lievig = with stangers, peasant often contradicted deadly diseases, that lead to many dying. Often people called Mao's 'slave-labor camps' rather than communes </span= > Leading on from steel production, when pea= sants had to leave their own plots/homes they couldn't return to them bec= ause many had been destroyed by the Red Guards or other authorities, tho= se that didnf't get torn down suffered fro= m neglact and colapsed</sp= an>; this was maily because they were constr= ucted out of bamboo and mud and needed regular attendance. Anyway, the ex= cess of the homes was used as fertiliser or = to feed the backyard furnaces as fuel. Now talking about, the lying of production= , you were right about talking about how many lied about producing a cert= ain amount of corn ie. But this correuption lead to people lying about actual= ly how many peasants were working and producing raw material, when people = died as a result of hunger or disease, other neighb= ours would admit that they were still alive when questioned by officials= so that they would claim the income of that family. This not only lead to corruption and anger by the CCP but no= one even knew how much was getting produced by how many people. = Last (i'm sure= their is more factors), not only did people get angry at the CCP for what= was happening to them, they were quitely losing faith in the CCP and their lea= der. Mao realised this when he lost his posi= tion as Chairman shortly after, then the Cultural Revolution was initiat= ed, maybe to gain support by blinding the peasants with more propaganda= . <![if !vml]><img width=3D15 height=3D15 src=3D"sample_forum_files/image016.gif" alt=3DSad border=3D0 v:shap= es=3D"_x0000_i1265"><![endif]><![if !vml]><img width=3D15 height=3D15 src=3D"sample_forum_files/image017.gif" alt=3D"Very Happy" border= =3D0 v:shapes=3D"_x0000_i1266"><![endif]> I'm not quite sure if that's correct, but = i hope i gave you= a few more examples that you could use in future. Anyone who wants to correct = me, please do, or help anyway! <![if !vml]><img width=3D15 height=3D15 src=3D"sample_forum_files/image018.gif" alt=3DWink border=3D0 v:sha= pes=3D"_x0000_i1267"><![endif]><o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td width=3D"22%" style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7EEEE;padding:5= .25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <st= 1:date Month=3D"9" Day=3D"7" Year=3D"2006">07 Sep 2006</st1:date> <= st1:time Hour=3D"17" Minute=3D"48">05:48 pm</st1:time><o:p></o:p> </td> <td nowrap style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt= 5.25pt'> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td valign=3Dbottom style=3D'padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#494957'><o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> </table> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D= 0 width=3D"98%" style=3D'width:98.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-padding-alt:0cm 0cm 0cm 0= cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td style=3D'background:#EFA4A3;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D1 cellpadding= =3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:.7pt;mso-paddin= g-alt: 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td width=3D"22%" valign=3Dtop style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7E= EEE; padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <a name=3D3063>= </a>Alex<= /b> Gue= st <![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign=3Dtop style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt = 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <o:p> </o:p> </td> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> = ; <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes;height:2.25pt'> <td colspan=3D2 style=3D'background:#F7EEEE;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1= .5pt 1.5pt; height:2.25pt'> <o:p> </o:p></span= > </td> </tr> </table> <o:p> </o:p> <div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><= span class=3Dlargetext1> <hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter> </div> <blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> quote: </spa= n> <div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> <hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter> </div> not only = did people get angry at the CCP for what was happening to them, they we= re quitely losing faith in the CCP and their lea= der. Mao realised this when he lost his posi= tion as Chairman shortly after, then the Cultural Revolution was initiat= ed, maybe to gain support by blinding the peasants with more propaganda= . <o:p></o:p> <div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> <hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter> </div> </blockquote> Close, but not quite right. It's strange, = but Mao never really lost his support amongst the = peasents and working class, they always revered him as the hero. Odd, but tr= ue. The important significance to note is that whilst the support for t= he party started to wane, it was Liu Shaoqui= and Deng Xiopeng who set it right by adopti= ng more capitalist means. This made Mao very insecure and would be the start of his long wind-up to the Cultural Revolution, as he saw thi= s as an abandonment of the revolution's ideals. Also (and correct me if I'm wrong here Com= rade Tom), Mao didn't lose his title of Chairman. He lost the title of president. The former is his position as head of the party, the latter is that as head of the country. They're easy to mix up, however as, being a one-party state, the roles do tend to overlap. = He lost his position as President and was replaced by Liu Shaoqui. This is another aspect to the Culteral revolution. For whilst Mao retained = his support amidst the general population. The GLF lost Mao a lot of fa= ce amongst the other party higher-ups and Liu and Deng gained it. He f= elt threatened, and this was at least a factor (or sole facter if you're a more conservative historian) in why Mao waged the Cultu= ral Revolution.<o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td width=3D"22%" style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7EEEE;padding:5= .25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <st= 1:date Month=3D"9" Day=3D"7" Year=3D"2006">07 Sep 2006</st1:date> <= st1:time Hour=3D"18" Minute=3D"9">06:09 pm</st1:time><o:p></o:p> </td> <td nowrap style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt= 5.25pt'> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td valign=3Dbottom style=3D'padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#494957'><o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> </table> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D= 0 width=3D"98%" style=3D'width:98.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-padding-alt:0cm 0cm 0cm 0= cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td style=3D'background:#EFA4A3;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D1 cellpadding= =3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:.7pt;mso-paddin= g-alt: 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td width=3D"22%" valign=3Dtop style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7E= EEE; padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <a name=3D3069>= </a>Brad w</span= > Gue= st <![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign=3Dtop style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt = 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> HEY Thanks<o:p></o:p> </td> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> = ; <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes;height:2.25pt'> <td colspan=3D2 style=3D'background:#F7EEEE;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1= .5pt 1.5pt; height:2.25pt'> <o:p> </o:p></span= > </td> </tr> </table> He= y Thanks for your assistance, you really know what you're talking about, I'm= quite aware that the peasants didn't stop supporting Mao, but prehaps as a suggestion they were losing fait= h. If they spoke out they were persecuted. However, like you said Alex, <= span class=3DSpellE>wierd? lol Talking about the losing of his superior position, I too thought it was President, maybe that's where I made= the fault? I often get the two mixed up as I always remember the triang= le diagram of the PLA, CCP and the Govt wi= th Mao inside the triangle. The capitalist roaders</s= pan> that threaten Mao Liu Shaoqi and Deng <= span class=3DSpellE>Xioping not only did this by adopting captalists views, but they bascially forced Mao out and rectified the situation of communes by converting them back to private plots, would the peasants have been far more h= appy and supportive of this? Anyway the amounting competition of rivals = and the play Hai Rui</= span> really triggered the Cultural Revolution,</span= > it was Mao who wanted to reassert his position as 'Emperor' lol. Off the beaten track, just thought I would continue the discussion.... Add what you will, it's most appreciatative knowledgeable one.</spa= n><o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td width=3D"22%" style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7EEEE;padding:5= .25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <st= 1:date Month=3D"9" Day=3D"7" Year=3D"2006">07 Sep 2006</st1:date> <= st1:time Hour=3D"22" Minute=3D"26">10:26 pm</st1:time><o:p></o:p> </td> <td nowrap style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt= 5.25pt'> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td valign=3Dbottom style=3D'padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#494957'><o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> </table> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D= 0 width=3D"98%" style=3D'width:98.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-padding-alt:0cm 0cm 0cm 0= cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td style=3D'background:#EFA4A3;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D1 cellpadding= =3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:.7pt;mso-paddin= g-alt: 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td width=3D"22%" valign=3Dtop style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7E= EEE; padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <a name=3D3077></a><b= >Comrade Tom Nob= leman Joined: <st1:date Month=3D"9" Day=3D"16" Year=3D"2005">16 Sep 2005</st1:date> Posts: 186 Location: <st1:place>Red Square</spa= n></st1:place> <o:p>= </o:p> </td> <td valign=3Dtop style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt = 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <o:p> </o:p> </td> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> = ; <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes;height:2.25pt'> <td colspan=3D2 style=3D'background:#F7EEEE;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1= .5pt 1.5pt; height:2.25pt'> <o:p> </o:p></span= > </td> </tr> </table> <o:p> </o:p> <div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><= span class=3Dlargetext1> <hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter> </div> <blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> quote: </spa= n> <div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> <hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter> </div> would the peasants have been far more happy and supportive of this? <o:p></o:= p> <div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> <hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter> </div> </blockquote> Yes. They were latter critical of many of = the more radical aspects of the GLF - those who had earlier attempted to revert to more tried and true methods (as opposed to Lysekoism) and those who "damaged public property" (ate the bark off trees) were sent to forced labour camps. However, Mao retained his assoc= iation with the Land Reform programme and thus retained his popularity...he still does (anniversary of his death t= his Sat. LOTS of interesting articles in the news). <o:p></o:p><= /span> <div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><= span class=3Dlargetext1> <hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter> </div> <blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> quote: </spa= n> <div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> <hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter> </div> it was Mao who wanted to reassert his positio= n as 'Emperor' <o:p></o:p> <div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> <hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter> </div> </blockquote> So he already had the power and prestigue of an emperor BEFORE the Cultural Revolution?<o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td width=3D"22%" style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7EEEE;padding:5= .25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <st= 1:date Month=3D"9" Day=3D"8" Year=3D"2006">08 Sep 2006</st1:date> <= st1:time Hour=3D"16" Minute=3D"8">04:08 pm</st1:time><o:p></o:p> </td> <td nowrap style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt= 5.25pt'> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td valign=3Dbottom style=3D'padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <![if !vml]><img width=3D46 height=3D17 src=3D"sample_forum_files/image010.gif" alt=3D"View user's profile" border=3D0 title=3D"View user's profi= le" v:shapes=3D"_x0000_i1289"><![endif]> </sp= an><![if !vml]><img width=3D46 height=3D17 src=3D"sample_forum_files/image011.gif" alt=3D"Send private message" border=3D0 title=3D"Send private mes= sage" v:shapes=3D"_x0000_i1290"><![endif]><![if !vml]><img width=3D46 height=3D17 src=3D"sample_forum_files/image012.gif" alt=3D"Send e-mail" border=3D0 title=3D"Send e-mail" v:shapes=3D"= _x0000_i1291"><![endif]><![if !vml]><img width=3D46 height=3D17 src=3D"sample_forum_files/image013.gif" alt=3D"Visit poster's website" border=3D0 title=3D"Visit poster's= website" v:shapes=3D"_x0000_i1292"><![endif]><o:p>= </o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#494957'><o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> </table> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D= 0 width=3D"98%" style=3D'width:98.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-padding-alt:0cm 0cm 0cm 0= cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td style=3D'background:#EFA4A3;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D1 cellpadding= =3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:.7pt;mso-paddin= g-alt: 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td width=3D"22%" valign=3Dtop style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7E= EEE; padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <a name=3D3080>= </a>Alex<= /b> Gue= st <![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign=3Dtop style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt = 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <o:p> </o:p> </td> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> = ; <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes;height:2.25pt'> <td colspan=3D2 style=3D'background:#F7EEEE;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1= .5pt 1.5pt; height:2.25pt'> <o:p> </o:p></span= > </td> </tr> </table> He= certainly had prestigue before the cultural revol= ution, even if Mao's reputation had taken some dinting because of the GLF, it was still nothing short of sheer adula= tion. Of course, he did lack the support of the upper and upper-middle cadres... As for power, w= ell he certainly had a lot of that before the cultural revolution... But s= ince when has a lot been enough for Mao? He wanted the whole lot.= It wasn't enough to simply be an advisor, he did complain, after all, = of being treated like an "ancestor": people paid their respe= cts, but no-longer involved him in their lives. And that doesn't sound v= ery Mao to me! Personally, I'm fondest of the 'Monkey Kin= g' theory. If only because I get to say: "You pansy-devil pooooofter!"<o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td width=3D"22%" style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7EEEE;padding:5= .25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <st= 1:date Month=3D"9" Day=3D"8" Year=3D"2006">08 Sep 2006</st1:date> <= st1:time Hour=3D"21" Minute=3D"4">09:04 pm</st1:time><o:p></o:p> </td> <td nowrap style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt= 5.25pt'> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td valign=3Dbottom style=3D'padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#494957'><o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> </table> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D= 0 width=3D"98%" style=3D'width:98.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-padding-alt:0cm 0cm 0cm 0= cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td style=3D'background:#EFA4A3;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D1 cellpadding= =3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:.7pt;mso-paddin= g-alt: 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td width=3D"22%" valign=3Dtop style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7E= EEE; padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <a name=3D3094>= </a>Em Gue= st <![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign=3Dtop style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt = 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <o:p> </o:p> </td> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> = ; <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes;height:2.25pt'> <td colspan=3D2 style=3D'background:#F7EEEE;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1= .5pt 1.5pt; height:2.25pt'> <o:p> </o:p></span= > </td> </tr> </table> IN= TIMIDATING SMARTNESS!<o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td width=3D"22%" style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7EEEE;padding:5= .25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <st= 1:date Month=3D"9" Day=3D"9" Year=3D"2006">09 Sep 2006</st1:date> <= st1:time Hour=3D"19" Minute=3D"29">07:29 pm</st1:time><o:p></o:p> </td> <td nowrap style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt= 5.25pt'> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td valign=3Dbottom style=3D'padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#494957'><o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> </table> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D= 0 width=3D"98%" style=3D'width:98.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-padding-alt:0cm 0cm 0cm 0= cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td style=3D'background:#EFA4A3;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D1 cellpadding= =3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:.7pt;mso-paddin= g-alt: 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td width=3D"22%" valign=3Dtop style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7E= EEE; padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <a name=3D3098>= </a>Brad w</span= > Gue= st <![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign=3Dtop style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt = 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <o:p> </o:p> </td> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> = ; <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes;height:2.25pt'> <td colspan=3D2 style=3D'background:#F7EEEE;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1= .5pt 1.5pt; height:2.25pt'> <o:p> </o:p></span= > </td> </tr> </table> Ye= s their intelligence is intimidating em. Going on from last time, Noblemen Alex, I = think you've semi-persuaded me to believe that Mao was a 'mokey king', however the bizzare crazed man t= hat was Mao did have the revolutionary thought, pr= ehaps implementing it wasn't his stong point-= as he admitted after the GLF, but decided to blame it on other people, th= at's our Mao, always looking for a scapegoat! He certainly had pres= tigue before the cultural revolution, even if Mao's reputation had taken = some dinting because of the GLF, it was still nothing short of sheer adulation. Of course, he did lack the suppor= t of the upper and upper-middle cadres...[/quote]<o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td width=3D"22%" style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7EEEE;padding:5= .25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <st= 1:date Month=3D"9" Day=3D"10" Year=3D"2006">10 Sep 2006</st1:date> 01:</spa= n><st1:time Hour=3D"15" Minute=3D"0">03 pm</st1:time><o:p></o:p> </td> <td nowrap style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt= 5.25pt'> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td valign=3Dbottom style=3D'padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#494957'><o:p></= o:p> </td> </tr> </table> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div align=3Dcenter> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D= 0 width=3D"98%" style=3D'width:98.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-padding-alt:0cm 0cm 0cm 0= cm'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td style=3D'background:#EFA4A3;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D1 cellpadding= =3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:.7pt;mso-paddin= g-alt: 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td width=3D"22%" valign=3Dtop style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7E= EEE; padding:5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <a name=3D3110>= </a>Em Gue= st <![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign=3Dtop style=3D'background:#FBF4F4;padding:5.25pt 5.25pt = 5.25pt 5.25pt'> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpaddin= g=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0cm;mso-paddi= ng-alt: 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0'> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <o:p> </o:p> </td> <td style=3D'padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'> <sp= an style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#383B3F'> = ; <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes;height:2.25pt'> <td colspan=3D2 style=3D'background:#F7EEEE;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1= .5pt 1.5pt; height:2.25pt'> <o:p> </o:p></span= > </td> </tr> </table> I = think that people are too easily forgetting that still "The Chinese people all worship him" according to a recent newspaper article. Even= Dr Zhou's moving lecture of how her family was crushed by Mao's segregation of society into 'Black' and 'Red' elements, she still frequently referred to Mao as "our Great Leader". An appalling thing I'm about to say, BUT perhaps what Mao did for </sp= an><st1:country-region><st1:place>China<= /span></st1:place></st1:country-region>, allowing the = country to "stand up", simply out-weighed the subsequent tens of millions of deaths. x<o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'> <td width=3D"22%" style=3D'width:22.0%;background:#F7EEEE;padding:5= .25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt 5.25pt